i think obama tried it. he came in really wanting to try, couldn't quite find the partner to do that. but if you had a burst of five or six people you keep listening to in washington then you could change the dynamic and the quality of the individual. >> rose: you're talking about old rarity it seems to me the idea of -- and other qualities that i think the country hungers for. >> you're going to have a little consciousness between campaign consciousness and governing consciousness and that's a little -- that's not there. >> you can be elite without being elitist. once you get elected to congress you're a member of the elite but it's not elitist to think you can govern and to govern you need relationships. the problem with reasonableness in congress now is the country desires it but the media ignores it because if you're reasonable and you speak reasonably you don't get the media that you get. so there are problems with how the 24/7 blogosphere and media work. but i do think that whether it takes bourbon or